YOU HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM!
Written by Jan Nicolaas Kind, Salvador-Bahia,
Marsland is the editor of a theosophical website with a dubious reputation. For
many years he has published articles or reported on certain occurrences in
quite a controversial manner. Over the past twelve months this editor has also
reported on recent developments in the TS-Adyar in a style which would be best
described as sickening. For the convenience of our readers the open letter is
hereby temporarily published on the Theosophy Forward Facebook page].
Marsland, you have a serious problem!
world in which we live, Dave Marsland, is perfectly imperfect; the Society in
which we both are active is perfectly imperfect. Mistakes have been made in the
past, and they will be made in the future, let there be no doubt, but you do
not seem to have the capacity to deal with those mistakes. They make you angry
and inspire you to write childish exposťs on your site, garnished with
too long you have been posting the most awful, false and abusive messages on
your website regarding issues in connection with the 2014 election for
international president of the TS-Adyar, the Adyar administration, and the
international president Tim Boyd in particular. Your site seems to be a tool
for you to personally let the world know that a certain Dave Marsland exists
who has appointed himself to be a grand-inquisitor, going around with a push
pike in his hands, having social issues with how the rest of the world lives.
You seem to be the eternal, and by now somewhat aged, agitator; the rebel for a
good or even a bad cause; always on the barricades, no matter what the subject
is, as long as you can kick some bottoms and make noise.
is clear that noisemakers will always be there. Their significance is often
marginal but in your case, if even three readers of your site would be
convinced that you are telling the truth, it is a little different. You present
yourself as a Theosophist, active in a respectable lodge, committing yourself
to the great Cause. Well, I really wonder what you have grasped from the
for you, when the Marsland phenomenon is further investigated we come across a
paradox, and I want to make use of this opportunity to point out what that
Cardiff lodge in which you have been active for quite a while has had problems
with the regional leadership in Wales and the administration of the TS-Adyar in
England. I have no opinion about those issues because these things do happen
and it is up to the folks on the ground to come to an agreement or not. Your
group, as it seems, didnít come to an agreement. Thatís alright, all are free
to go their own way and do what they think is the right thing to do. Not only
were there disagreements with the TS-Adyar in England, but in connection with
that disagreement, the relationship with the headquarters in Adyar became
blurred and ultimately also came to an end. Your group apparently decided to go
alone, and in spite of the fact that this is a great pity since no covenant
could be reached, this is perfectly legitimate and the decisions taken need to
now, Dave Marsland, what do you do? Here is the paradox! Your group does it
alone, trying to find its own way, but at the same time you cannot stop
screaming aloud, throwing mud at everything and anyone that has a connection
with Adyar, its administration and leadership, with which you wonít have
anything to do and despise so much, labelling them in your postings as the
ďAdyar controllers.Ē I am sorry to say but this doesnít make sense at all. You
are not affiliated any longer; your group walks its own path, so why bother
kicking those Adyar bottoms.
Marsland, with all due respect, I do believe that it is about time that you
firmly kick your own bottom for a change and make a lot of noise in your own
kitchen instead of in someone elseís.
your site, and for many months now, you have been posting on subjects you know
nothing about: about people you have never met or even spoken to, drawing
ludicrous conclusions which are absolutely faulty, actually making a complete
idiot of yourself. Demonstrating far going animosity, as if you were an over
the top crossexaminer you seem to enjoy personal attacks in particular. Over
the years you have been attacking persons you have a grudge with in a very
typical and mean manner. When I go over your site my stomach starts to play up;
Dave Marsland, you have a serious problem!
are completely off-track and you do not stop in trying to make a laughing stock
out of certain individuals, whilst in fact you are the sole joker in this game.
Your critique is based on hearsay, gossip, unverified rumors, and biased
information some pass on to you. You live in beautiful Wales, and not in
Chennai, so the obvious question arises from where you obtain all that you seem
to know which, by the way and per definition, is always second and third hand.
Please note that your ďinformersĒ have been identified, and whatever they try
to convey to you, for your own sake and credibility, youíd better check and
double check their data.
reason why I take the trouble to write all this is because somewhere along the
line I have the feeling that in a way you really are attempting to better the
world, and that basically you are not bad intentioned, but you have clearly
taken a very wrong turn somewhere and ended up terribly frustrated. It is
against any Theosophical principle to act as a prosecutor, judge, and
executioner at the same time, yet that is precisely what you are doing, Mr.
Marsland. So perhaps it would be better for you to simply return to the study
of basic Theosophy, The Key to Theosophy is a good start. I understand
that your Cardiff lodge consists of some serious and dedicated students, so
they might be able to give you a hand.
open letter will be the first and the last note I send to you, and I will not
correspond with you. It is published on the Theosophy Forward Facebook page and
will stay there for a little while, so readers may take note of it. After that,
I will take it down. Theosophy deserves much better!
Note from the author:
Dave Marsland wonít halt issuing his poor postings and this epistle of
mine was not written with that intention. I support the notion that the best
way to deal with hateful or offensive postings or speech is not to attempt to
stop them. Let this man by all means show himself.
He is fully supported by an internet troll from San Antonio-Texas,
Manjeri K. Ramadoss, whose own website Theos talk has historical ties with Mr.
Marsland; they both belong to the past.
Theosophy News Board
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Theosophical Society Issues
The Tekels Park
A family has been evicted from their home at Tekels Park
a Tekels Park Estate Limited director wanted to live in
The Future ? of
Adyar Theosophical Society
Will there be an Adyar Free Future?
Adyarís Slightly International Convention
President of Nothing
Membership Decline Ė The
Elephant in the Room
The True Status of the
Adyar Theosophical Society Members
The Voice of Stagnation
Tekels Park & Dead Animals
An Extra Box on the Ballot Paper
Suggestion for the 2014 Adyar Theosophical Society
International Presidential Election
A Society Without Members
Is the 2014 Adyar Presidential Election Invalid?
Radha Burnier Employment
Radha Burnierís policy of allocating jobs to members of her own
family turned the
Adyar Headquarters into the family firm.
How many suitable
applicants were discounted so that
could give a job to a family member?
Donít Just Do Nothing
Despite decades of
decline and stagnation leading the
Theosophical Society to the verge of evaporation
disintegration, the leadership have so far shown no
sign of coming up
with a strategy for ensuring the
the Society as a unified body.
Adyar, the Sole Purpose of Adyar
Theyíll Knock Adyar Down?
Save Radhaís House
Revealing that the
Adyar eliteís stately home is under threat
land purchase and can be saved by convincing the
it is in fact an international headquarters (if true)
may have given
the Theosophical Society members a brilliant
get Adyar off their backs.
If not true then
it looks like blackmail
Ignore the Voters
and Get Elected
An overview of
the Adyar Theosophical Society
What an Insult to Members
to vote for candidates while withholding
information indicates an utter contempt by
for the general membership
of the Tekels Park Deer
Here is a link to a short film of the
Tekels Park Deer
posted by a Camberley resident.
Everyone opposed to the killing of
the Tekels Park animals
will want to see this.
International Election Protocol
This is only an
idea for consideration but if the Theosophical elite
continue to treat
the members with the current levels of indifference and
contempt for the
duration of this election then the Adyar Theosophical
Society will be
an empty shell by the time it is completed.
The secrecy with
which the Adyar Theosophical Society
conducts the Societyís affairs is legendary.
Is this secrecy
for its own sake or are some serious
suppressed and kept beyond discussion?
Banging the Drum for Theosophy
Looking forward to the post Adyar era
Burnier Town Hall
Family control of
Adyar has reduced the members
of the General
Council to the status of town hall officials.
Silence by elected management cheats
the members out of participating in
running of their own organisation
Keeping the International Headquarters at
It may not be
The International President
The General Council
An idea for
What is Behind the
Theosophical Society ruling elite denies
members the right
to be consulted on issues and the
ability to convey
their views directly to the leadership.
Why does the
leadership of an organisation
treat its members
like this in the modern era?
Towards a New Model for Theosophy
Theosophical Society Leadership
itself within a cult of superiority
while the Society
evaporates around it.
Society can survive but not
in the current
Choose a Stooge
When the Issues
Is this what is
on offer to the Adyar Theosophical
members from a ruling elite
that has a
different agenda from that of the Society?
SHUT UP & VOTE
This election is
really inconvenient for the
leadership, isnít it?
Why are the
members being hustled into blind
What are the
leadershipís post-election plans?
Members No Longer Members
of their Own Society
in the presidency, during which
discussed, is the only course of action
with a chance of
saving the Adyar Theosophical
Society as a
Now Hereís Something Worth
Keeping Quiet About
Are there plans
to sell Adyar without
Is There Hidden
shutdown combined with a total
suggests a serious hidden issue
and an intense
fear of revealing it.
Control Adyar or
You Control Nothing
Is the self
imposed isolation of the General Council effectively
resignation as they have found, after the death of
that establishing control of Adyar is too difficult?
Well Done! CVK Maithreya
Killing the Adyar Theosophical Society.
candidates are as much victims of the
silence rule as are the members.
The silence rule
also seeks to establish General Council
control over the
Make Way for the Messiahs
Have the Esoteric
Section and the
merged into one body?
Does Silence Mean
for the Adyar Theosophical Society?
presented plans for the future, in
General Council instructions.
of discussion mean that the
Society doesnít have a future?
Accountable Leadership Urgently Required
Council has abused its power
by putting itself
A new leadership
is needed, and fast.
No replies to
Do the members
still have a Society?
Those who have
kept the Society time warped
in the 1930s now
have the task of introducing
reform and they
obviously donít want to do it.
Beggars at the Door
Left sitting out
in the cold and starved of information,
realise how the General Council regards them
Why not include this picture in any information
request to General Council
officers as an
indication of how members feel they are being treated.
Or just send the picture anyway.
From The Top Down
Theosophical Society is decades
out of date and
desperately in need of reform
getting rid of a leadership that
refuses to be
accountable to the members.
Who Owns Adyar?
The Royal Court of Radha Burnier
General Council Meeting 2013
Making it a bit obvious arenít you?
Disgraceful Treatment of an
A woman sacked
and evicted for complaining.
Given 13 days to
get out of her home.
The Preethi Muthiah Letters
Tell A Very Sad Tale
About General Council Meetings
Looks like there
has been some attempt
by a General
Council member to promote
reform within the
2012 Meeting Minutes
Make Your Wife
Adyar Internal Problems
that the General Council
Is Adyar Still The Headquarters?
Or why donít you
to recover Adyar
for the members?
Good Campaign Pitch, Mr Singhal
Adyar Prepares for the Break-Up
Profile of Adyar
From a Victim
Adyar Family Appointment
A Job for Your Daughter
Another Family Power Appointment
For your Daughter
By Singapore Lodge
Triumph of the Weak
Donít expect the
to do anything if
the election is bent
Adyar Job News
You donít need a
You donít need a
If your nameís
Itís job number
No Stand For Democracy
An appraisal of
the General Councilís commitment
the Adyar Theosophical Society
as a democratic
But Vote Anyway
A Society Without Leadership
Nobody sees it,
Nobody hears from it
Is it hiding somewhere?
Does it exist?
Who will Believe It?
Even if the
presidential election is correct and above board,
the confidence in
the General Council has fallen so low
wonít believe it.
been cheated for long enough?
Long Tradition of
has highlighted an endemic problem at Adyar,
which the General
Council has ignored for many years.
There are still
no plans implement a grievance procedure and
policy at Adyar.
Of lady over 70 from her job at Adyar
True Purpose of the
What the paying
members want has little to do with
this election, as
the silence and lack of information show.
The real purpose
of this election is for the General Council
to deliver the
candidate that the Adyar ruling elite wants.
What Makes this Election Invalid?
Was Your Vote Counted?
Was your vote
forwarded to Adyar?
Was the election
background of silence, a court case and
irregularities, these are fair questions.
Not Being at Adyar
Well, itís much
easier than being a real president
Democracy in the Adyar Theosophical Society
Is That All?
No Right To Complain
Well, what can
you expect in an organisation where
regards the membership as ballast
Doubts about the
integrity of the election
unresolved, rendering the result invalid.
A Private Function
The Ballast now know
their true status
While the President Creeps into Office
Itís Silence as Usual
By the Adyar
Theosophical Society ruling elite.
No hurry to prove
the election result
But a real hurry
to get the president installed
Who Can Support
Shut Up & Pay Up
Theosophical Society has become
Doubts about the
election result will
Presidentís job impossible.
Adyar & the
US each have
Half a President
The White Lotus Hi-Jack
White Lotus Day
as a personal
What was the
Is this the
Great Wheaton Rip-Off?
arise over allocation of Wheaton
resources by a
two job president
Master of the Small Event
Launches New Presidency
The Adyar Payments Scam
CVK Maithreya Deserved
The exclusion of
Mr Maithreya from the rushed
an insult to him and his supporters
Is This The
of the Adyar Theosophical Society?
And if so, itís a
very ugly face
Is Wheaton Set To Support Adyar?
A two job
president will produce a massive conflict
of interest that
will divide the American Section
CVK Maithreya is
Who's the Guy in
Why was Campaigning Banned
During the 2014 Election?
General Manager reports former
Society Accountant to the police,
detention and two days of interrogation.
makes serious allegations
against the Adyar
Estate General Manager.
Did the 2014
Presidential Election take place in a
Climate of Fear
Police Action Threatened
Over Someone Elseís Car
ďIf we hand over
the vehicle to the police things will be worseĒ
on dealing with
allegations about a reign of terror at Adyar
are lodged with
the International President.
There is no
response, just silence.
The Prisoner of Adyartraz
surround the treatment of staff and
Society members at Adyar, but members find
that the elected
president is unable to do anything.
against Adyar Estate General Manager,
Mr S Harihara
Raghavan over staff bullying
and threats of
imprisonment are not new.
letters and articles clearly
indicate that the
issue has been around for some years
More Info Needed
As it stands only
56% of the poll and 49% of the final vote
can be verified
by section leaderships on the current information.
One Man, One Vote
nominates only one candidate for
Vice-President and expects the
members to vote for him.
Poor Adyar Future
As many ask if it
is safe to go to Adyar.
An idea for
The General Council
Not Proven President
will never be the same again.
failure to deal with serious allegations will
mean that the
fear of being banged up in police cells
haunt visitors to Adyar.
D V Subramaniamís Posthumous
Letter of Complaint
source of information
bullying at Adyar.
The Amnesty International
International is widely supported by members
policy of an organisation that refuses
allegations, that its own staff and members
are bullied by
the use of threats of imprisonment.
Did you get an Invite?
Did you know you were cordially invited to the
bargain basement presidentís cut price inauguration?
Serious Concerns Raised
About the Conduct of the
2014 Presidential Election
The only option
Do It Again
safeguards this time
Secretary tells the Indian
that he is nominating
Tim Boyd Ė no
discussion Ė no consultation
Call for Emergency Meeting
January 24th 2014
unresolved issues raised at that time,
clearly should not have gone ahead.
That Never Was
Tim Boyd airbrushes
his rushed inauguration from history.
That Cannot be Ignored
Relating to the
conduct of the 2014 Presidential Election.
Chittaranjan Satapathy by South African
Secretary, Jack Hartmann on March 16th 2014
It becomes clear
that the election committee had
for misconduct but ignored it
Kesiraju calls on the governing body
to act as a
Call for Action
East and Central
As the Adyar
refuses to govern.
Raise the White Flag
Admit it General
Council, being the governing body of the
Theosophical Society is too difficult for you.
True to form, one
month has elapsed and
the President and
General Council have failed to
investigate Mr M
Kannanís allegations of bullying.
A Leadership at War
with the Paying
of its Own
Ignore the Bullying
This is the clear message as the International
President and General Council ignore
bullying allegations at Adyar.
General Council Ignores Calls to
The Presidential Election Result
Pending an Enquiry
Trouble at tíMill
and a leadership unable to handle it
The conduct of the 2014 Adyar Presidential Election
is now being investigated by the authorities.
News of an enquiry by the Indian authorities makes
Tim Boyd and the General Council look vulnerable.
The General Council may decide that the easiest
way for it to maintain its policy of silence on the
2014 Presidential Election is to stay away from Adyar.
Just look at what the General Council has done for
The Adyar Theosophical Society in less than a year
No problem, the leadership will make sure that the
Theosophical Society members will pay for the defence.
70 valued trees felled at the Adyar Estate
The Adyar Cow Mystery
Is the delayed flimsy unsubstantiated explanation
now replacing the policy of silence?
many trees were chopped down?
The felling of over 70
trees at the Adyar Estate
is reported in The Hindu in
Up The Adyar
Roll Up! Roll Up!
For the 2014 Adyar Crisis Meeting
The current civil court action has split the Indian
This will be a costly affair. Who's going to pay?
Against a background of ongoing legal processes,
General Council members just donít know what
they are walking into at Adyar
open letter written by Jan Nicolaas Kind
December 16th† 2014
Duty of Care
Has the Theosophical Society leadership advised
General Council and other members of the risks
involved in attending the 2014 Adyar Convention
during the current investigation?
Don't Expect Much
From the General Council on December 25th
It's in the News
A press report on the Presidential Election and resultant
court case, and expulsion has been published by the Times
Crumbs from the
That's how the Ballast is kept informed
Adyar Elite's Own
The victimisation of Kesiraju Krishna Phani will
draw more attention from the media and public
than the ongoing civil court case itself.
The Adyar Raj is rooted in the past and determined
to stay there as members refuse to pay and walk away.
Had the Bill Yet?
Time is Needed
Isn't one hundred years enough?
Silence of the
Adyar Theosophical Society General Council.
Nothing to say.
And too frightened to say it.
A 14 million dollar question
President of the
Not available for comment
Adyar Court Case Documents
A selection of documents
relating to the court case
brought in the Madras High Court against the
Theosophical Society by Kesiraju Krishna Phani
conduct of the 2014 Presidential Election.
reveal the nature and extent of the allegations.
Adyar Court Case
†Further court documents listing the evidence
to be presented relating to the court
case currently being
brought in the Madras High Court
Adyar Theosophical Society by Kesiraju
regarding the conduct of the 2014
Years of no money to pay the workers turns into
a spending spree on the Adyar Raj governorís residence
Where's the Catch?
Is Adyar Finished?
a massive cash bailout
Is he unavailable for Adyar Day?
More Court Cases
Adyar General Manager, Mr S Harihara Raghavanís
clear message to departmental heads
shadow of a once great event at the
Theosophical Society Headquarters
theorists may never get to the bottom of this one
Mow the Lawn
young footballers cheated out of the opportunity to play.
Have the Voting Dead
Decided Adyarís Future?
Adyar Football Special
When was a game last played on
the Olcott School pitch?
young footballers, a gap of three or four years
is a big chunk out of their youth.
The Olcott School sports area has been
barricaded and cordoned off by the police.
Adyar Theosophical Society has
in the following countries
and Central Africa-South
- West America-Central
Asia-East and Southeast
Bolivia Brazil Canada
Colombia Costa Rica Croatia
Dominican Republic England
France Germany Greece
Iceland India Indonesia
Israel Italy Ivory Coast
Netherlands New Zealand
Orlando Pakistan Peru
Portugal Puerto Rico
Russia Scotland Slovenia
Sri Lanka Sweden Switzerland
Ukraine USA Uruguay Wales
Adyar Theosophical Society also has the following
Council of the European Federation of National Societies
to other News Boards
The Future of the Adyar Theosophical Society
"There is no
religion higher than truth!"
Contact Dave Marsland
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